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Is this a comparatively recent thing? Everybody Loves Raymond did a show around it some years back, but I can`t recall hearing it in the 60s, 70s. Dwellers in Brooklyn or thereabouts seem to be prone...

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Chimney/chimblyPitcher/pictureDo these fit the profile?

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choklat/chocolate

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The spelling is rather immaterial. The point is that the l-vowel SOUND has changed into vowel-l.And none of those 3 examples fit the profile.

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I think I understand now. Thanks a bunch, WG.

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According to at least one professional linguist I've spoken to, the so-called "Ebonics" tendence to transform "ask" into "axe" does, in fact, have its roots in the Old English useage cited above...

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I don't. How does l vowel/vowel l fit into the ask/aks metathesis?Does not pitcher/picture tc/ct equate to sk/ks?Come on, 'splane.

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I`d never heard of this form till it was mentioned here. Then today we had spaghetti bolognese for lunch, and my six-year old girl, who until now has always referred to this dish as `sgetti` suddenly...

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Man, Lucky Pierre stoned me with the level of cred he took to his message. Occifer is clearly a an intentional Spoonerism intended to provoke the recipient with the drunk response they are looking for...

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I don't like the "h" in there, but:www.annies.com/products/psghetti.htmwww.annies.com/products/psghettimoo.htm

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Go to www.worldwidewords.org for some useful insight on this subject

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In the same vein, my father always mispronounced aluminum as alunimum, reversing the m and n around the i. (Half the time to be funny, I'm sure.)Then there is always the venerable libary instead of...

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Not sure whether this belongs here, as it may well be an Americanism that I haven`t come across before. Watching CNN on the Middle East imbroglio, the anchor asked the reporter if, after the failure...

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I've heard both, about equally commonly. MWO gives both pronunciations.

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Isn't "envoy" -- perhaps spelled "envoi" -- used in French in the same sense as in English? Would not Le Monde use this same term in reference to Monsieur Powell?I've always assumed our...

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Just checked and you`re right. Only one pronunciation is given (en-voy), though, in both the SOED and the Century Dictionary, the latter of which is an American work from the 1890s, so the on-voy...

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Webster's 2nd (effectively about 1935) shows only the "en-" pronunciation. Webster's 3rd (effectively about 1960) shows both "en-" and "ahn-". This is an American attempt at "authenticity", taking...

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Oh, come now, you're joshing?! No living human actually says that, do they?!What a quixotic race the Brits....

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Not only do I say Don Quick-suht., wg, I also brave ridicule by saying Don Joo-uhn (as in Byron`s poem). In fact, what`s wrong with the good old version, Don John? All European languages have their...

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I can't speak to French use of "envoi," but the English word would *not* properly be used to refer to Powell.An envoy has either the rank of ambassador or ranks just below an ambassador. Powell is a...

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I didn't know anyone did pronounce the word "en-voy". I hav never herd any uther than the "on-voy" pronunciation. "en-voy" just sounds weird to me.

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